<paroneayea> MEETING LOGGING STARTS
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<paroneayea> first of all, might be a good idea to see a show of hands of
	     who's around this meeting :)			        [12:06]
<paroneayea> I am, obviously ;)
* gandaro too
<gandaro> :P
<paroneayea> willkg couldn't make it to this one because he's traveling for
	     work
* paroneayea is currently at freedeb's place :)			        [12:07]
<paroneayea> well anyway :)
<freedeb> hi!
<paroneayea> I think I saw elrond here also :)
<freedeb> yep
<paroneayea> well let's jump into things			        [12:08]
<paroneayea> http://wiki.mediagoblin.org/Meeting#Next_Meeting
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<paroneayea> so, release schedule
* AVRS 
<paroneayea> hey aaronw !
<paroneayea> so the plan was to release on monday.  However, I didn't think
	     ahead to extract translations for people, and we usually like to
	     give them a week
<freedeb> do you want to paste in the agenda link for folks?	        [12:09]
<paroneayea> oh I did, but http://wiki.mediagoblin.org/Meeting#Next_Meeting
	     again
<AVRS> paroneayea: it'd be good to extract them anyway?
<paroneayea> so I think we should put it off by one week.  That will also give
	     freedeb and I enough time to make a nice press release
<paroneayea> AVRS: yes I intend to do so
<paroneayea> we had a busy day yesterday, as we hinted earlier for those who
	     have lurked on IRC, so I hadn't gotten to it yesterday :)
								        [12:10]
<AVRS> ok
<paroneayea> so the answer is yes :)
<paroneayea> I do think feature-wise we have enough for a good release here.
								        [12:11]
<paroneayea> anything else on the release subject before we move on?
<paroneayea> I was thinking of the name like "A Snazzy New Look" or "A Brand
	     New Look" or something.
<paroneayea> because of theming stuff				        [12:12]
<freedeb> A whole new world
<paroneayea> haha
<freedeb> mostly jk
<paroneayea> we might get in trouble with disney for that one :)
* Elrond is only half around.
<paroneayea> hey Elrond !
<paroneayea> so, next item is plugins and themes		        [12:13]
<paroneayea> assuming nobody has any more comments on the release
<freedeb> "You've got the look"
<freedeb> we can sort that part offline
<paroneayea> freedeb: ooh, I like that one
<paroneayea> yeah
<paroneayea> so, some news on that: will has implemented our first really
	     useful plugin					        [12:14]
<paroneayea> which is a flatpages plugin
<paroneayea> so if you need a way to host your About page or your TOS or
	     whatever
<paroneayea> you can now do that through mediagoblin proper
<paroneayea> willkg isn't here so I'm kinda representing him on this one
<freedeb> plugins and themes
<paroneayea> yeah						        [12:15]
<Elrond> Ahh, great!
<paroneayea> so on the plugins end, I know there are several things we've been
	     talking about moving into plugins for a long time
<paroneayea> eg the openstreetmap stuff
<Elrond> Maybe we should do a plugins workshop for people interested to port
	 over things into plugins?
<paroneayea> Elrond: yes!
<paroneayea> freedeb and I had talked about that
<paroneayea> a pluginpalooza as freedeb said			        [12:16]
<freedeb> exactly!
<freedeb> I think the workshop prep will help us organize the docs for plugins
<paroneayea> yeah
<freedeb> and then get feedback all at once
<paroneayea> I think we'd need to figure out a good time that willkg and I are
	     both available to do that
<Elrond> Yeah.							        [12:17]
<freedeb> we could set up a doodle poll once we find a time you guys are both
	  around
<paroneayea> I wonder if that'd be best done this month or next... my schedule
	     is still insane this month due to finishing our move and wrapping
	     up stuff at CC and on the Liberated Pixel Cup
<freedeb> Labor Day weekend?					        [12:18]
<paroneayea> but next month I am finally done with CC and moved in to our new
	     place :)
<paroneayea> oh hm
<paroneayea> when is that again?
* schendje sneaks in late
<paroneayea> hey schendje !
<paroneayea> theming is next so good timing :)
<schendje> hey! flatpages plugin sounds good
<paroneayea> yeah						        [12:19]
<freedeb> I'm checking
<paroneayea> so we have a few cool things this release such as flatpages
	     plugin and theming and even some things like joar's processing
	     panel improvements
<paroneayea> so I think it'll be a good release.
<paroneayea> freedeb: sweet
<freedeb> September 3rd						        [12:20]
<paroneayea> oh that's good timing
<paroneayea> I'll be done swith CC stuff then.
<paroneayea> and pretty settled into the new place
<freedeb> so the 1st and 2nd are the Sat and Sun
<Elrond> Oh, I have one really short topic (more a cry for help). Let me know,
	 when I shell speak (SQL related).
<freedeb> shell? groan
<paroneayea> I think that's a good tentative time... we should see if that
	     works for willkg
<Elrond> freedeb - shell as in zsh. ;o)
<freedeb> I know!						        [12:21]
<paroneayea> :D
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<paroneayea> Elrond: how about we talk abou tthe themes stuff and we talk
	     about that right after?
<Elrond> paroneayea - ACK.
<paroneayea> cool
<paroneayea> so freedeb, we'll talk to willkg about the pluginpalooza weekend
	     ;)
<paroneayea> is that it for themes?				        [12:22]
<ADFENO> Hello, :D
<gandaro> hi ADFENO ;)
<paroneayea> er, plugins
<paroneayea> hello ADFENO 
<freedeb> yes
<paroneayea> we are having our monthly contributor meeting
<paroneayea> pull up a chair ;)
<paroneayea> so!
<paroneayea> let's move on to themeing then
<ADFENO> Doews someone know if gobblin.se accepts attachments up to 10 MB?
								        [12:23]
<paroneayea> so I landed the theming stuff, made a terrible terrible example
	     theme (goblincities) and schendje made an actually beautiful one
<Elrond> ADFENO - (Note: the monthly meeting is logged and published.)
<Elrond> ADFENO - Please ask joar after the meeting. :)
<paroneayea> ADFENO: no idea, I'd ping joar.
<paroneayea> :)
<gandaro> does gobblin.se actually support attachments?
<paroneayea> not sure, but attachments are one more thing we'd like to
	     pluginify ;)					        [12:24]
<ADFENO> Well, as far as I know, it does.
<paroneayea> so
<paroneayea> back on themes
<ADFENO> I did it some months ago.
<paroneayea> we included schendje's beautiful airy theme
<paroneayea> I think @chimo on identi.ca also made a theme	        [12:25]
<paroneayea> oh!
<paroneayea> http://chimo.chromic.org/2012/07/31/mediagoblin-theme/ blogged,
	     even :)
<paroneayea> I'm not sure what else there is to discuss meeting-wise on this
	     though other than if people want to get into theming, maybe we
	     should find out how to help them?			        [12:26]
<paroneayea> schendje: thoughts? as you've actually built one :)
<schendje> yeah I'm trying to remember how the process went	        [12:27]
<Elrond> Is theming easy and straight forward?  Or do we need a
	 theming-workshop too?
<schendje> I can have a more careful look at that, to check if things can be
	   improved?
<paroneayea> that would be great schendje 
<paroneayea> I suspect theming is pretty doable if you've already done
	     mediagoblin template work
<paroneayea> but it might be confusing if you've never touched jinja2 or the
	     like						        [12:28]
<paroneayea> okay, anything else on themes?
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<paroneayea> if not, we should pass it over for elrond to talk about SQL stuff
								        [12:29]
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<AVRS> The mention of “favorites” on the main page message for unregistered
       users: should it be removed before the release?  If it is removed,
       can/should the translations be saved?
<paroneayea> AVRS: yes, that should and can be done		        [12:30]
<paroneayea> good call
<AVRS> good
<Elrond> Okay.
<paroneayea> okay, on that note, passing over to elrond :)
<Elrond> We have a long standing SQL issue with some strange errors. Something
	 about relations breaking.				        [12:31]
<Elrond> Problem being: I'm totally busted on my time / energy.  Even to the
	 point, I forgot the issue# for the problem.
<Elrond> The good news: I have some good idea, what's going on. And I have an
	 idea, on how to fix it.				        [12:32]
<paroneayea> Elrond: could you document at least your thoughts on what's
	     broken and how to fix it?
<Elrond> The cry for help: I need someone to step up and assist me. I would
	 love to explain to him/her, what should be done and leave all the
	 pride to him/her then. :-)
<paroneayea> maybe at that point we can try to cajole someone into picking up
	     the bug :)
<paroneayea> yeah						        [12:33]
<paroneayea> AVRS: pushed the textual change :)			        [12:34]
<Elrond> I don't even know, if I can try to document it *nicely* on some
	 bug. I'd really love to explain it to someone with a brain.  ;))
<AVRS> paroneayea: cool, thanks
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<paroneayea> Elrond: okay, well how about this			        [12:35]
<paroneayea> over the next month we'll try to find someone to pick up the bug
<paroneayea> if that can't happen
<paroneayea> you can explain to me after my move is done
<Elrond> Sounds good!
<paroneayea> and I might be able to work on it or at least filter it into a
	     better bug :)
<Elrond> Thanks!
<paroneayea> Elrond: I'm filing a bug for us to talk the week of the
	     20th... I'll be moving in then!			        [12:36]
<Elrond> paroneayea - ACK.
<paroneayea> okay, so, next thing!				        [12:37]
<paroneayea> is joar around?
<paroneayea> I'm assuming now :)
<paroneayea> er
<paroneayea> no
<paroneayea> since he hasn't said anything
<paroneayea> joar added: "Should we namespace plugins? If so, how should we
	     namespace plugins?"
<paroneayea> so here's my feeling on this: pre-python3.3 (which we don't
	     support yet), any sort of "plugin namespacing" is a terrible,
	     terrible hack					        [12:38]
<paroneayea> so
<paroneayea> I think it's maybe best if we instead we do this:
<paroneayea>  - plugins bundled with mediagoblin go in mediagoblin/plugins/
<paroneayea>  - plugins outside of mediagoblin have their own toplevel module,
	     but we encourage either a mg_ or gmg_ prefix	        [12:39]
<paroneayea> is that reasonable?
<paroneayea> technically, underscores in python toplevel modules are called
	     bad style, but nobody's ever been able to explain to me why
<paroneayea> and I don't think that makes sense
<paroneayea> so I'm okay with the underscore
<paroneayea> despite otherwise being a style stickler :)	        [12:40]
<paroneayea> anyone else have thoughts on this?  this seems to be the type of
	     thing elrond usually has strong opinions on :)
<gmgbot> *NEWS* git: Removing text on frontpage that suggests we have
	 favorites (we don't)					        [12:41]
<paroneayea> gmgbot has strong opinions apparently ;)
<gmgbot> paroneayea: Error: "has" is not a valid command.
<paroneayea> heh.
<Elrond> *reading again*					        [12:42]
<Elrond> paroneayea - Sounds good!				        [12:43]
<paroneayea> cool.
<paroneayea> I'll talk to joar about that later and for now we'll consider
	     that bit of the meeting resolved
<paroneayea> so there's one more thing that's not on the agenda
<Elrond> As long, as plugins are in a dedicated python area, I'm fine.  [12:44]
<paroneayea> yeah
<paroneayea> we're expecting external plugins to be in their own packages.
<paroneayea> so I'm going to let freedeb announce something exciting
<Elrond> Even if it's elrond_s_other_project.gmg_connector. ;)
<freedeb> we're going to do some crowdfunding
<freedeb> through the FSF
<freedeb> it's something new they want to do for GNU projects	        [12:45]
<freedeb> and we're going to be the guinea pig
<Elrond> paroneayea - Would elrond_s_other_project.gmg_connector work?
<paroneayea> Elrond: yes, it will work
<Elrond> Fine with me!						        [12:46]
<freedeb> I'm excited for us to be able to leverage the FSF's vast network
<Elrond> So people can have super_gmg_plugin_pack.{plugin1,plugin2} ;o)
<freedeb> and help them get to a new level of being able to really help GNU
	  projects raise money					        [12:47]
<paroneayea> freedeb: yay!
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<Elrond> freedeb - Super!
<freedeb> thanks!						        [12:48]
<freedeb> we had a really great meeting at the FSF yesterday
<paroneayea> so freedeb, willkg and I are doing some planning for this
	     campaign, but if all goes well it'll mean a better ability for me
	     to be focused on mediagoblin stuff, and maybe if all goes really
	     well, even further things for the project :)
<freedeb> with John
<paroneayea> :D							        [12:50]
<freedeb> we willkeep you allposted				        [12:51]
<freedeb> there will certainly be opportunities to pass the link along
<freedeb> and we are going to be making a little promo video
<freedeb> if you are interested in a bit part in the video, we may need that
	  too							        [12:52]
<paroneayea> yay!  I'm excited.					        [12:53]
<Elrond> Yeah, let us know, when we should pass around links.
<freedeb> excellent, thanks!					        [12:54]
<paroneayea> :)							        [12:55]
<paroneayea> so is that it?
<paroneayea> we might be able to wrap up this meeting slightly early ;)
<freedeb> five whole minutes? whoo!
<freedeb> :)
<paroneayea> alright, if there's nothing else anyone has	        [12:56]
<paroneayea> let's call it a wrap :)
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